that have kept -- that's kept harry reid in office there. and there seems to be a recognition by some donors that you can't let the most extreme elements run your party. >> so let's see how the gun debate fits into this next story. a group of republican donors is rolling out a new effort to try and fend off tea party challengers who say they're hurting the gop's chances of taking control of the senate. it's called a conservative victory party. and it's backed by karl rove and the super pac american crossroads. their aim, to institutionalize the buckley rule by supporting in primaries the most conservative candidate who can actually win a general election. the new effort is meant to be a counterweight to more hard-line conservative groups that have spent big money on primary challengers to their liking. the organization is already eyeing seats being vacated by democratic senator tom harkin of iowa and republican senator saxby chambliss of georgia. i'm just wondering, do you need to -- is the same well where you want to go to renew the republi